The reason they gave was that there was way too much "manipulation and fraudulent activity". Oh, and they "apologize" for the "inconvenience" this may cause.
What do you think about this news? What's your opinion about this? Is this fair? is this right? It's understandable for people to be upset and hurt, right?
Saw so many posts of people who've lost so much and all they got was an apology for the "inconvenience" because, apparently, losing so much money is just merely an "inconvenience" for people and they can easily get over this with no problem (maybe if they were millionaires and rolling in cash, sure, but, otherwise, yeah, right). What a nice present for the new year 2015, huh? :( Isn't there anything that can be done about this?
Also, why is it that everyone got lumped into the "people who manipulated the system and did a lot of fraudulent things" category? Sure, there were those who really did that, but not everyone is like that. There are honest people too. There are good people in this world, so why should they be made to pay for the sins of the bad guys? Is that right? Is that fair? What do you think about this?
Here are some of the comments from this article, back when it used to be posted elsewhere:
RegieEstioco wrote on January 3, 2015, 5:29 AM
This means that I will no longer expect a pay from that B Site. I have $150 pending in there but the last redemption I think is October 30.
kelemenk replied to RegieEstioco on January 3, 2015, 6:53 AM
RegieEstioco I have one due from August and before the changes in October I was promised it will be taken care of. Very disappointed with them.
FreyaYuki replied to kelemenk on January 3, 2015, 8:38 AM
Same here. Also have an August redemption. Now it's gone :(
FreyaYuki replied to RegieEstioco on January 3, 2015, 8:36 AM
Sorry to hear that. Also lost an August redemption. Many others also lost so much. :(
kelemenk wrote on January 3, 2015, 6:50 AM
I am n happy about the changes there, but what bothers me most is how unprofessionally it was done and the sneaky way they operate. They made a mistake by setting their rates high according to them and that's why they adjusting it. They have right to change their policy and rates, but it is really unfair that there was no prior notice, plus that it effects recent activities too, not just the future ones. Them not paying past due claims prior to November 11-th after introducing that claim feature on their site in October is just outrageous. It feels like that was created to get people off their back.
Hope that members will eventually find this place so PP can strive.
kelemenk replied to kelemenk on January 3, 2015, 6:51 AM
sorry typo I meant "not happy"
FreyaYuki replied to kelemenk on January 3, 2015, 8:43 AM
Agree with you. Did you notice they posted that article on the 31st of Dec 2014 where most people will not likely find out about it until much later since this is the New Year's Eve? It's like they didn't want anyone to know about this. Was shocked when I found out the news, but was glad I didn't have to see this on the new year.
And yes, if they change their terms and policies, it should not affect the past but the future because they already promised to pay us before. Why would they just change it like that and why should they lump everyone as cheaters and spammers? Sure, there were cheaters and spammers and those people shouldn't be paid. But what about the honest and good people on that site? They should be paid for their efforts and they shouldn't be punished for things they didn't do. How is that fair? How is that right?
fufurinha wrote on January 3, 2015, 6:55 AM
I am so sick of hearing about bubblews. Lost almost 300 dollars there :/
FreyaYuki replied to fufurinha on January 3, 2015, 8:49 AM
Sorry to hear that :( Also lost an August redemption and have heard of so many others who've also lost hundreds of dollars. It isn't fair. Isn't there anything that can be done about this?
scheng1 wrote on January 3, 2015, 7:37 AM
Bubblews is not profitable, and they are slow in getting rid of those who break the rules.
FreyaYuki replied to scheng1 on January 4, 2015, 1:56 AM
Yeah. Then they blame everyone for breaking them when not everyone tried to manipulate the system or engage in "fraudulent activity".
ashuli wrote on January 3, 2015, 7:45 AM
well, in another 15-20 days they will inform everyone that they won't pay to those who redeemed before 15th December 2014 but will keep those accounts active and keep earning from the manipulated accounts too but wont pay... :D
FreyaYuki replied to ashuli on January 4, 2015, 2:00 AM
Hope they won't do something like that. Many people are angry and upset enough as it is. Even more will be angry and will want to leave if they do that. Seems like so many are already leaving.
LadyDuck wrote on January 3, 2015, 8:54 AM
Of course I have read the news because I lost 150$ in old pending redemption and the actual pending were reduced to almost 1/4. They are the real cheaters and manipulators. Not even a "sorry" for all the users that are not cheaters. And today my bank is decreasing... they are cheating even more.
FreyaYuki replied to LadyDuck on January 4, 2015, 2:08 AM
:( Also lost an August redemption. So many people lost so much. This isn't fair. And, yeah, they didn't really say sorry. That post by the staff just said they "apologize" (sounds so insincere, doesn't it?) for the "inconvenience" this may cause the members as if losing hundreds of dollars is just a mere "inconvenience" for so many people and that people can just easily get over what they did.
If one lost hundreds of dollars, how can they just get over it? That's a lot of time and effort wasted and for what? Nothing. Makes one wonder if there is really nothing that can be done about this because shouldn't they get to pay for what they did to so many people? Don't think my bank there is even increasing anymore or, if it is, it's doing so at a snail's pace.
LadyDuck replied to FreyaYuki on January 4, 2015, 2:29 AM
I know a single mother who lost 500$, she needs the money to pay her bills. They did not consider that some people badly needed that money... the timing was very bad too.
FreyaYuki replied to LadyDuck on January 5, 2015, 12:59 PM
:( I'm hearing many more stories like this. It's terrible. They should put themselves in the shoes of all the members and think about what they'd feel if they worked so hard only to get the news that they won't get anything for all their time and efforts. And, yes, the timing was really bad. Of all times to announce that news.
peachpurple wrote on January 3, 2015, 9:37 AM
I have sept, oct and november there but dates are before 11 nov, so everything gone into rhe toilet bowl
FreyaYuki replied to peachpurple on January 4, 2015, 2:10 AM
:( I have an August redemption that I lost too. Have also read about many people also losing a lot of redemptions. This isn't fair for the honest and good people who didn't manipulate the system or engage in fraudulent activity :(
SandraLPetersen wrote on January 3, 2015, 9:42 AM
I haven't written a post for Bubblews for three months because of the shifting sand policies over there. My bank didn't change with the latest staff posts about their woes (because of their poor business decisions). It shows $23.56. I'm only halfway to the $50 payment threshold. I've made 20 cents since November 11. So is the rest of that money unredeemable? If all I really have is the 20 cents and the $23.36 made before November 11 isn't really there, then I might as well cut my losses and remove all of my posts.
BarbRad replied to SandraLPetersen on January 3, 2015, 11:50 PM
I think that would be wise. Use your time here and at least you will get paid for your efforts and not have to wonder if it's ever coming.
FreyaYuki replied to SandraLPetersen on January 4, 2015, 2:14 AM
Have about $44+ in their bank, but it seems to take forever to even earn a cent there. At this rate, it'd be months before anyone can cash out since so many are reporting slow earnings. Hate to lose that amount of money though since already lost an August redemption. Guess the money can't be redeemed unless we reach the minimum payout. Some are asking for the payment threshold to be lowered, which would be nice if it can actually happen, so we can cut our losses and leave, but guess that's just wistful thinking.
Louemham wrote on January 3, 2015, 9:55 AM
That is the very reason why I signed up to PP. Bubblews have messed around with too many people so I thought I'd broaden my options.
FreyaYuki replied to Louemham on January 4, 2015, 2:22 AM
Persona Paper seems like a very good site when compared to that one. The community here is nice and the people I've encountered so far seem very friendly and helpful. Enjoying my stay here so far. Hope it's the same for you.
imphavok wrote on January 3, 2015, 10:23 AM
I closed my Bubblews account yesterday. That's it for me. I thankfully did not lose any money, but I stand in solidarity with those that are being screwed over. I will not support a dishonest site.
FreyaYuki replied to imphavok on January 4, 2015, 2:27 AM
Lost an August redemption and see so many others who have lost hundreds of dollars and so many more redemptions. It's good that you didn't lose any money.
beachchair wrote on January 3, 2015, 4:06 PM
I had just joined that site. I am waiting for my 2 redemptions to come through then I am done with them.
FreyaYuki replied to beachchair on January 5, 2015, 1:00 PM
Good luck. Hope you get your payments from them without any problems.
Mooiiyaan wrote on January 3, 2015, 11:07 PM
I think it isn't fair at all. I'm really disappointed with that site too. I hope they get delete from the cyber world xD
FreyaYuki replied to Mooiiyaan on January 5, 2015, 1:11 PM
LOL. It would seem like a lot of people would want that. It really isn't fair what they did to the site members. It's more than disappointing or upsetting and all they can say is they "apologize" for the "inconvenience". Does that sound insincere or what?
BarbRad wrote on January 3, 2015, 11:46 PM
It was a betrayed of trust and just not right. They have in their TOS they can change their payment plan anytime, but it should not be retroactive. They have actually stolen people's time and labor. It seems from the beginning they didn't trust any of us and considered all of us guilty of trying to cheat while we constantly had to prove our innocence. It is also the only site I've been on where your entire redemption amount could be forfeited for a mistake on one post that was unintentional. Other sites might delete a post for some reason and the earnings associated with it, but they didn't take all you'd earned on every post that followed every rule along with the one they considered in violation.
FreyaYuki replied to BarbRad on January 5, 2015, 1:31 PM
It looks like they actually changed / updated their TOS without telling anyone about it (or did I just miss something? As far as I know, no one said anything about changes to the TOS; only found out when I took a look at it after reading the new year's eve announcement regarding redemptions).
Their latest TOS talks about changes not being retroactive but it appears to be more in favor of the site. The previous version of their TOS mentions the retroactive policy again but it's more favorable for the members (according to the archives). Is their latest TOS change even valid if they didn't tell anyone about it (because, usually, sites will tell you if there are changes to their TOS, right, so you can decide if you still want to keep using it or something?)?
It isn't right how they considered everyone to be cheaters. Whatever happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'? There were bad people on that site but there were also honest members who abided by the rules and they shouldn't be punished for things they didn't do.
BarbRad replied to FreyaYuki on January 7, 2015, 2:36 PM
I think that's what made me unhappy -- that everyone was assumed to be a violator if we could get by with it so everyone was punished by admin reactions, such as no longer being able to edit posts after 24 hours. It was always feeling that we were being treated like naughty children.
luisga814 wrote on January 4, 2015, 3:38 AM
So in that case, i am not going to expect anymore. I have not read their post yet. Sad face for me.
FreyaYuki replied to luisga814 on January 5, 2015, 1:46 PM
They posted the announcement on the 31st of December 2014. It is really sad, not to mention unfair for all the honest writers there. They shouldn't be lumped in with the spammers and cheaters.
luisga814 replied to FreyaYuki on January 5, 2015, 7:27 PM
I am very upset of what Bubblews did to me. Not only to me but for all.
FreyaYuki replied to luisga814 on January 6, 2015, 11:27 AM
Lots of people are upset, which is completely and totally understandable considering what they did to pretty much everyone or so it seems. How could this ever be considered fair or right?
nbaquero wrote on January 5, 2015, 10:20 AM
FreyaYuki I am not longer expecting my missing redemption. It was a costly way of finding out the type of people that owns and manages that site. But I am moving forward, and will continue focusing on PersonaPaper
FreyaYuki replied to nbaquero on January 5, 2015, 2:24 PM
Also focusing a bit more on Persona Paper. It isn't fair how they just erased so many people's redemptions in one fell swoop though and think that they should pay the honest writers there who didn't break any of the rules.
nbaquero replied to FreyaYuki on January 5, 2015, 2:27 PM
Yes, the should pay, but I'd rather devote my time and efforts here, and later on (if time permits) will try to see if there is any way to recover that money, at the moment things are too confusing to get any results on that front, I think.
FreyaYuki replied to nbaquero on January 6, 2015, 11:29 AM
It would be great if there was a way for people to recover the money they lost. Not everyone on that site cheated or engaged in fraudulent activity. The honest writers should not be punished for what they didn't do; they should get what is owed to them.
crowntower wrote on February 25, 2015, 1:58 AM
This is totally unfair, because how can they be sure that there are fraud in every blogger who redeemed that day. I guess they are just bluffing to avoid paying the bloggers there. God bless. You canonly do that if you have proof that all of those bloggers who redeemed that day have violations.
FreyaYuki replied to crowntower on February 25, 2015, 4:41 PM
I agree. I thought it was unfair too. Not everyone there cheated or spammed, etc. There were honest people on that site and they shouldn't be made to pay for the sins of the guilty. How is that fair, right or just?
*Notes:
- This was previously published on Persona Paper on January 3, 2015, 5:23 AM
- Image is by FirmBee (Public Domain) from Pixabay
